You can't possible prove what you just said in as much as you say I can't prove the Flood happened.
Hmm, I small difference here, If I may interject....
thetrueone only calls to question the validity of an extraordinary claim; it is the Claimants burden to prove it...
On both counts that wouldn't be him....
It's the intermingling of spiritual and physical worlds that creates such a FUBAR mess.
Literal Bible believers use the "miracle" laws of the spiritual world to describe and justify events in the physical realm.
It would be equally ineffective to ask why angels and God do not fall to earth due to gravity or what creates the lift under their wings....
PLEASE, keep them separate.
EDIT:
People only go by what they know and can measure. The Flood was an unnatural event
OK now! An unnatural event known and measured by what?
truthseeker,
There are at least 6 completely different and not interdependent ways to prove that the flood, as described, could not have happened. All based on mountains of academic work, proof and worldwide consensus.
There is only one way to make it plausible by blurring the hard stops and replacing them with writings of an origin dated centuries after the purported event....
thruthseeker,
I see the problem.
I was trying to convince you of the impossibility of a past supposed event by analyzing it using proven, proveable and replicable methods that have been used to pretty much create and run the world as we see it today.
You were trying to convince me of the non-applicability of my proven, proveable and replicable methods that have been used to pretty much create and run the world as we see it today by using as an example a past supposed event....
oh, the similarities... .
kyodo news via ap.
mourners cry during the funeral procession for late north korean leader kim jong il on dec. 28, 2011.. by msnbc.com staffnorth korea is punishing citizens who didnt cry during the orchestrated public mourning over the death of kim jong il, sentencing them to six months in a labor-training camp, according to a report.. the south korea-based daily nk newspaper said authorities have held criticism sessions for those who transgressed during organized weeping in the wake of the dictators death.. it said north koreans accused of criticizing the worlds only hereditary totalitarian regime are being sent to re-education camps or being banished with their families to remote rural areas.. the news website quoted a source from north hamkyung province saying: the authorities are handing down at least six months in a labor-training camp to anybody who didnt participate in the organized gatherings during the mourning period, or who did participate but didnt cry and didn't seem genuine.the funeral of kim jong-il, the leader of one of the most isolated places on earth.
Kyodo News via AP
Mourners cry during the funeral procession for late North Korean leader Kim Jong Il on Dec. 28, 2011.
By msnbc.com staff
North Korea is punishing citizens who didn’t cry during the orchestrated public mourning over the death of Kim Jong Il, sentencing them to six months in a labor-training camp, according to a report.
The South Korea-based Daily NK newspaper said authorities have held “criticism sessions” for those who “transgressed” during organized weeping in the wake of the dictator’s death.
It said North Koreans accused of criticizing the world’s only hereditary totalitarian regime are being sent to re-education camps or being banished with their families to remote rural areas.
The news website quoted a source from North Hamkyung province saying: “The authorities are handing down at least six months in a labor-training camp to anybody who didn’t participate in the organized gatherings during the mourning period, or who did participate but didn’t cry and didn't seem genuine.”
The funeral of Kim Jong-Il, the leader of one of the most isolated places on earth. NBC's Adrienne Mong reports.The source added that the recriminations "created a vicious atmosphere of fear.”
Authorities are also forcing citizens to idolize Kim Jong Il’s youngest son, Kim Jong Un, newly-installed as leader.
“Every day from 7 a.m. until 7 p.m., they have vehicles for broadcast propaganda parked on busy roads full of people going to and from work, noisily working to proclaim Kim Jong Un’s greatness,” the source said.
The website also reported that school children and factory workers are being made to study “the greatness of Kim Jong Un” in education sessions “packed so tightly together without a break that people are just exhausted.”
It added that it was able to verify the public trial claim, but noted authorities had earlier ordered the shooting of anyone who attempted to defect to South Korea during the mourning period.
Source here
i was interested to read the life story of leonard smith in the latest april 15th watchtower (now available for download at www.jw.org).
it's not every day i notice a brit getting to relate his life story in the literature, so this peaked my curiousity.. i chuckled to myself when i stumbled on the following anecdote on page 21:.
is it just me, or is that not just a thinly-veiled way of saying "shut up with your moaning, and get back to work!"???.
NIKE must owe billions to the WT in licensing fees...(Just Do It)
Terry, I may have inadvertently derailed your thread a bit….
Truthseeker,
Having a certain belief system should be everyone’s right; I have nothing against yours.
Where I see a conflict is when beliefs, or facts/laws to that effect, are applied inconsistently.
Let me explain.
When you get on an elevator, do you suppose a supreme being or one of its aids holds and moves the elevator cabin, or are you certain that there are ropes, counterweight and motor that facilitate the up-down movement? Do you think the elevator manufacturer just guessed the size and tension of the ropes, the power needed for the electric motor and the weight of the counterweight?
Or, are you certain the manufacturer calculated and tested all of the above using defined, established and provable formulas derived from laws of physics that behave CONSISTENTLY and impartially?
When you drive your car and apply the brakes, do you think an invisible hand is slowing your car down, or are you certain that there is a rotating disk to which friction is applied by specially fabricated brake pads? Is the momentum of your slowing car simply leaking in the time indefinite or is all of the kinetic energy being transformed to heat by said disk and brake pad assembly?
When you board a plane, do you have any doubt in your mind that the lift created by the forward motion of the airplane and the wings design/surface area is going to somehow disappear midflight and the plane will fall out of the sky like a rock (it weighs few hundred tons, afterall) ? No, or you wouldn’t board it.
Point I am making is that our lives, down to the minute daily details, depend on a set of rules (physical or natural laws) that behave PREDICTABLY and CONSISTANTLY.
Those rules, whether put in place by a supreme being or not, are blind and impartial, just like the ocean that supports the tiniest paper boat or the largest cruise ship, as long as they conform to the laws of buoyancy.
Yet, when we try to apply the same rules to an event that has happened in the confines of our (same) physical world and the math/principles/events do not add up, we somehow turn a blind eye on them and replace them with faith……
Events in our physical realm are either subject to the same laws that govern its very existence, or they are not subject to it.
We either believe the rules or we don’t. We do not hope for the rules to work, we know they do. We do not set a sail on a cruise ship hoping that it floats, we know it does.
In any event, I respect your choice of beliefs and wish you the best.
-Yan
My scenario is an absurd exaturation.
The whole point is that at best, we dont know. And if we say we don't know, it perfectly fine. Instead, we say that we know, while keenly aware that we just don't know..
God gave the angels said powers, but we have free will and so do they and they abused their free will.
So, if you gave your child a videogame with the explicit instructions to be used only by him and you came home from work one day to see all the neighborhood kids playing with it, what do you do?
Break out the AK47 and empty few mags in them?
Didn't think so. But of course that would be the actions of some "low-thought" scumbag, not of a responsible normal human adult....
Yan, I get your point, but God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
I don't know....if we, with our "lower" thoughts, can think of a bunch of less-destructive ways to solve this self-inflicted "situation" (who gave said powers to said angels in a first place?)
